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« on: September 23, 2009, 08:01:45 AM »

Hello FNG here.  I found this site while looking for info about Rohm.  Seems like a very informative site.  Anyways to my question my drill currently has the Jacobson 700 chuck and while it is nice I saw a Rohm chuck at the store the other day and thought wow thats pretty cool.

Can somebody tell me about Rohm?

Is it worth switching?

Will it be compatiable with my (hate to say this) ridgid drill?

Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2009, 02:44:39 PM »

Well Rohm has been around for almost a century. They make all types of specialty products from drills to specialty machining tools.

 Dewalt chose Rohm because Jacob's chucks did not perform as well while in hammerdrill mode. Hence the reason you only find them on Dewalt's hammerdrill models. Jacobs grip is only as tight as you can ratchet it. While Rohm chucks put driving force on the jaws throughout your drilling/driving applications.

Unfortunately Rohm chucks are not compatible with the current shaft on Ridgid drills. Below is a link to all brands and models compatible with Rohm chucks.

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 07:30:34 PM »

Hello,

New member and first time poster here.

I just recently purchased a DeWalt combo kit that included a DC988 hammerdrill, impact driver, as well as 2 18V XRP batteries and charger. Just out of curiosity, I went and looked at the chuck and it's a Jacobs 700.

I happened to look at the chuck on my DeWalt drill at work, and it's a Rohm.

I have had my personal drill for maybe a couple weeks at the most, so I'm curious as to how I ended up with the Jacobs chuck if DeWalt went to using Rohm in their new hammerdrills?

Last weekend, I was working on a project at home and needed to drill a few 1/4" holes. So naturally, I whipped out my trusty DeWalt drill, and on the first hole... the drill bit slipped out of the chuck. Needless to say, I was a bit perplexed.
My company supplied drill on the job has never done this. Then again, it has the Rohm chuck.

How would I go about getting a Rohm chuck for my drill?

Thanks in advance.

   
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 08:51:14 PM »

The Dewalt DC988 is a 3rd generation XRP drill. That drill get's bundled with other tools to create a hot buy. The DC988 was never equipped with a Rohm chuck. Or the 4th generation and beyond. The DC925, DC927, DCD950, DCD970, and a few other models are the only 18v models that included the Rohm.

If your using a Rohm, and then go to a ratchet jacobs. You may not be used to ratcheting the chuck tight? The Jacobs 700 series has been around for awhile and for the most part pretty reliable.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 09:01:55 PM »

I see...

Then thats probably the problem. I'm used to just spinning the chuck forward on to my bits, using the Rohm. With the Jacobs, I have to actually ratchet the chuck?

I'll give it a try. Thanks!!
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 01:37:26 PM »

I still don't understand the difference between a ratcheting chuck vs. a self-tightening chuck...tried googling for answers, but couldn't find a good explanation.

My Dad's old drill is a DW959 and I would just spin it to lock/release the bit.  I know the DC720 has a ratcheting chuck, but when at HD or Lowes, the display model appeared to tighten the same way by just spinning the chuck/collar.  Where am I misunderstanding things?  "Ratcheting" makes me think of how a ratchet wrench works, but both drills seem to tighten in the same manner.  Thank you for your explanation!
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 05:35:16 PM »

A ratchet style chuck you have to manually twist the chuck. The teeth only lock down as tight as you can ratchet it. The self tightening chuck does not require you to wrench down on it. You simply click the chuck to lock it. As you drill, the teeth self tighten as the chuck spins, constantly putting pressure on the teeth.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2009, 01:45:14 AM »

Thank you for clarifying, JC...when you say "twist", is that the same as spinning the chuck until it closes on the bit?...i've only used one drill before and i'm not sure if what i'm accustomed to is a ratchet style or self-tightening type.  Thank you.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2009, 01:45:59 PM »

Thank you for clarifying, JC...when you say "twist", is that the same as spinning the chuck until it closes on the bit?..


Yes.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 04:05:34 PM »

Just thought I'd chime in here with some info. I have owned the commercial model 18 volt DW988 XRP hammer drill for almost ten years now, and it came with the best chuck I've ever seen on it. It's a Rohm, but I can find no part number on it. The entire shell of the chuck is one piece and knurled, so tightening and loosening a bit is very easy, since the drill shaft is locked down when off. It has inserts in the jaws (carbide?) and has never allowed a bit to spin. It has a 'hex' cut into the ring surrounding the jaws so you can use a wrench to free up a bit that jams into whatever you're working on. Behind the hex is a 'freewheeling' tapered section that the instructions described as helpful in guiding the nose of the drill into 'fine', or tricky work. It ratchets somehow when tightening, but then goes into some kind of quarter-turn lockdown mode and stops. I'm convinced that the chuck cost more than the drill. If and when the drill fails, I will be making sure that whatever replacement I purchase can use this chuck. It's that good.
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2011, 12:35:28 PM »

Does anybody know which chuck the DeWalt DCD930 has?  It's advertised as a self-tightening chuck, but I can't find any more on it.  Thanks.

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2011, 12:40:26 PM »

It was the Rohm Self-Tightening chuck when it launched. It may have updated to something else by now?
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2011, 09:11:12 PM »

I've been told that another term for ratcheting chuck is keyed chuck.  Typically it's faster to use a chuck key (such as a Jacob's type), but keyed chucks have more or less became a item of the past as keyless is much easier to work with and are much cheaper, but that my no longer be the case.

At this time, I don't know that much about hammer drills or Rohm chucks.  Jacobs Chucks and brand name chucks are what I am somewhat familiar with.   From what I gathered from all my research, Jacobs seemed to be the best types of chucks around, but that has since changed as Jacobs Chucks (or rather the company itself) seems to have been bought out by Apex Tools.   

You can find the original very high quality (the one's with handles are made in USA, the ones with keys on both sides are made in Japan.) at Sears it seems, but chucks themselves look rather questionable.  Stronger than the Craftsman chucks, but not as great as the Chuck's used in the late 90's early 00's.

This is coming from personal experience but good luck contacting Apex Tools (in this case, the Jacobs division) multiple times I have tried contacting them and I ended up just contacting a distributor they listed and they helped me.   My DW990 has a keyless chuck, but its one of the original Jacobs chuck that came with the drill, yet works perfectly without any issues. 

Mazdaman,  according to this link  http://www.ereplacementparts.com/dewalt-dcd930-type-144v-hammer-drill-parts-c-1009_9661_16251.html  the chuck is keyless or "twist" as it's sometimes called.

Your in luck though with this drill, none of the parts have been discontinued as of 2011.    However,  the current chuck that is offered replaces obsolete part #: 330075-72, 899515, 330075-72, 330075-63, 905261 and 330075-66. 

Keyless ChuckPart Number: 330075-91 is the current chuck offered for this chuck the cost on Ereplacement parts is $42.95 as of 2011.  If you ever have to replace the chuck though,  this distributor offers a better price it seems.  http://www.mcmaster.com

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2011, 09:24:15 PM »

I've been told that another term for ratcheting chuck is keyed chuck.  http://www.mcmaster.com




A keyed chuck is a chuck that uses a separate "key" to tighten up the chuck.  A ratcheting chuck is a type of KEYLESS chuck, where there is a ratcheting tensioner in it.  I do not know the technical portion, so forgive this explanation if it is overly "dumbed down".

As far as the comparison between Rohm and Jacobs, they are two of the best chuck producers in the world.  Jacobs is the most common, but Rohm builds the stronger/heavier duty chuck, which is why DeWALT uses them in the hammer drills.  Jacobs makes a quality chuck, and is used in most of the DeWALT non-hammer models, while the Rohm is used in all of the newer hammer drills.  Rohm chucks are typically slightly heavier, and more importantly, more expensive than Jacobs chucks, which is why many other tool manufacturers do not use them (it eats into the profit margin).

All that to say that the Rohm ratcheting and pusher (self tightening) chucks are the best in their class, however, Jacobs chucks are good as well.
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2011, 09:40:13 PM »

I've been told that another term for ratcheting chuck is keyed chuck.  http://www.mcmaster.com




A keyed chuck is a chuck that uses a separate "key" to tighten up the chuck.  A ratcheting chuck is a type of KEYLESS chuck, where there is a ratcheting tensioner in it.  I do not know the technical portion, so forgive this explanation if it is overly "dumbed down".

As far as the comparison between Rohm and Jacobs, they are two of the best chuck producers in the world.  Jacobs is the most common, but Rohm builds the stronger/heavier duty chuck, which is why DeWALT uses them in the hammer drills.  Jacobs makes a quality chuck, and is used in most of the DeWALT non-hammer models, while the Rohm is used in all of the newer hammer drills.  Rohm chucks are typically slightly heavier, and more importantly, more expensive than Jacobs chucks, which is why many other tool manufacturers do not use them (it eats into the profit margin).

All that to say that the Rohm ratcheting and pusher (self tightening) chucks are the best in their class, however, Jacobs chucks are good as well.


I see,  since I am still new to chucks in general, I figured when I asked the mcmaster employee that he had more accurate information than what I could find right off the bat.  So there are three types, keyed, keyless, and ratcheting.

I've learned that Jacob's makes great chucks, but as you know, I have limited knowledge of Rohm chucks.    I had a feeling Rohm chucks were more expensive based on the fact they are used in Dewalt hammer drills, but it's interesting to learn more about them.

So once (and hopefully for all) let me get this straight.  Rohm chucks are top of the line, Jacob's chucks are medium ground (some being better than others) and the last type is just name brand type (Makita, Milwaukee, Craftsman brand).   

Thanks for the help Kjones. 
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