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[dewaltUK]

with the 20volt max line i think Dewalt has decided to get in there first, before the competition starts doing it as well and started on a slippery slope to dishonesty. if they'r all doing this with battery voltage (one of the most important futures in a power tool) what else might they try it with in the future? max r.p.m, eg: r.p.m's without a chuck or cutting disc??  the list is endless.

[kjones]

with the 20volt max line i think Dewalt has decided to get in there first, before the competition starts doing it as well and started on a slippery slope to dishonesty. if they'r all doing this with battery voltage (one of the most important futures in a power tool) what else might they try it with in the future? max r.p.m, eg: r.p.m's without a chuck or cutting disc??  the list is endless.

I will make one final comment on this, then leave it alone.  This is not a "dishonest" move.  The voltage explanation is clearly laid out in every piece of literature, promotional material, and tool packaging/owners manual that is out there.  The 20v MAX is a name, and the actual power output is clearly explained on the tools.  As far as the "slippery slope" that you mention, those lines have already been crossed for years by all the tool manufactures.  Look at things like torque, power ratings, and cycle life that companies like Makita and Milwaukee advertise.  There is no standard for these tests, and their own testers are on the record saying that they build the tests to get specific results.  At the end of the day the responsibility is on the user to get the tool in their hand and test it out for themselves.  The proof is in the pudding. 

[dewaltUK]

what ever!
i like Dewalt and own a lot of their tools, but had they tried a blatantly deceiving move like that over here, i would think twice before i part my cash to them. as it stands, they haven't, so Dewalt is still top in my book.
i can only speculate as to why Dewalt chose that particular marketing campaign in the u.s, but it obviously has a lot to do with the american psyche in general.

[Gatorb888]

or it's because Dewalt has an 18v line that has been around since 1996 with the same style of battery. The 18v line here in the states consists of 4 different batteries (2 nicad, 2 lithium) where, correct me if I'm wrong, Europe only has lithium. Dewalt isn't abandoning it's 18v line, it's not like companies in the past who have just switched from one 18v system to another and stopped selling the old tools. Imagine this in the states, we already have 4 batteries in the 18v line and all of a sudden dewalt comes out with another slide pack 18v design that has 2 different batteries? There would be so much confusion, even if Dewalt named it XR instead of XRP, there are still the compact drills to deal with.

Dewalts Plan: Still maufacture their very successfull 18v line. Bring in new slide pack design with some newer features and lithium focused and market it 20v MAX as to avoid confusion with the current 18v line. 

[dewaltUK]

yeh yeh, your obviously a bit pissed at Dewalt as well for the 20v MAX lark, but you cant bring yourself to admit it coz you love Dewalt so much, thats why you came up with that ridicules and weak theory about there being confusion and panic in the 18v market. they could have called it any number of names other then 20v MAX, which is obviously meant to be misleading and is actually creating more confusion then not.
by the way, we over here have, 2 Ni-cad's, Ni-MH and Li-ion's, im not sure but there might even be two of each of the latter two, so im not sure how you came to the conclusion of there only being Li-ion?
any hoo, it was nice chattin, everyone here seems to be utterly devoted and loyal to Dewalt, as a complete newbee to the site i hope i haven't offended anyone too much.

[Gatorb888]

Well this is a Dewalt Forum... and as you can see from my sig, I am also an employee. So it's not a rediculous theory, it is the main reason. When I am training distributors or speaking with an end user I always mention to them that it's really 18v. It's not something that Dewalt is trying to hide. It's not creating more confusion, I have not heard anything negative from anyone I've told about naming the new line 20v MAX. They all seem to understand that having 2 different "18v" lines would get confusing.

As far as Europe, I'm not familiar with the market so I cannot speak to it. I do think EUR countries have laws against labeling the 18v as a 20v max or 10.8v as 12v Max. That may be the reason for the name being different.

Don't worry about offending, thanks for becoming a member of the site and sharing your input.

[anadevi]

I really like this new line, the name's irrelevant. They get the job done, Dewalt's a good brand and that's enough for me.

what ever!
i like Dewalt and own a lot of their tools, but had they tried a blatantly deceiving move like that over here, i would think twice before i part my cash to them. as it stands, they haven't, so Dewalt is still top in my book.
i can only speculate as to why Dewalt chose that particular marketing campaign in the u.s, but it obviously has a lot to do with the american psyche in general.

[anadevi]

Interesting side note on 12V/20V MAX. I noticed Hitachi now have a 12V Peek drill & impact combo kit in the UK.

[Jumpstat]

Thanks for the review.

Purchased my 1st Dewalt tool yesterday, the DCD710s2. Really like its performance so far...